Secrets of power and seduction thread

[nikkisc]

Originally Posted by KwlAznKid

LMFAO
no better response to nikki's post hahahaha

I was going to add "not in a creepy way" but I didn't
I'll make sure to include all te details next time

[BMWrules7]

Originally Posted by carve

The old PUA stuff (e.g. mystery method), while very effective on insecure women, is really pretty cheesy and transparent on anyone worth while. Now days, the old PUA guys are trying to rebrand themselves as "dating coaches", and a lot of them are actually quite good. It's much less about games and routines and more about teaching you to be a fucking man, direct and honest, how to be genuinely attractive and improve yourself, and how to push your limits. I got divorced a couple years ago and didn't know WTF I was doing at first, having never dated. Now...I'm quite successful (my fundamentals were already well handeled- just needed to man up and be more unapologetically sexual)

Here's a cut 'n paste from the "how long before you hit it" thread from a few months ago that bears repeating...

Just because a girl sleeps with a guy fast doesn't make her a slut; she might just really like you or just need to get off. Women's sex drive can be just as strong as a mans, there's just more societal pressure to be "pure" about it. Women also take a greater risk when they have sex, from "slut shaming" to emotional investment to the risk of pregnancy to having a much higher liklihood than a man of contracting an STD, so it's understandable that they're more apprehensive about sex despite wanting it just as bad. Usually, the girl who acts like good-girl wife material to you acted like wild sex animal for some other guy. They just try to become what they think you want if they're into you.

I can get a girl to come home with me on a first date about 90% of the time, and I never suggest it more than once. Here's the deal though; if I just like her, we'll generally just fool around a little. I like to let them know it's safe and low-pressure, and I like to get familiar with them and trust THEM a bit, too (such as discussing risk factors). I'm extremely picky about who I sleep with.

If I like her and trust her a lot (not just physically attracted- great chemistry and potential) it's probably going down that first night. There are a few reasons for this

-First an foremost, BECAUSE I WANT HER!
-I'm sure she's just as into me, and trusts me right off the bat
-Starting a relationship with that kind of passion is definitely the way to kick things off on the right foot. It's GOOD for long term potential. No frustration or games- just passion!
-Women become more emotionally invested and attached after sex. You have more control after she has slept with you, so if you want to make her your girlfriend, do it ASAP!
-It lets her know I'm a sexual man and, in addition to whatever else attracted her, that I know how to please a woman in bed...often better than anyone else has. If she's getting her mind blown she's going to want to keep coming back. Guys: learn to be good in bed. Make sure you take care of her needs, but then treat her like a fcuk doll. Get dirty and push her limits. It shows you have passionate desire and aren't afraid to let go. Women LOVE to feel desired...that they have that extreme of an affect on you.
-A man can fulfill 3 primary roles in a womans life: Lover, friend, and provider. I want them prioritized in THAT order, whether just for fun or for something long term. By sleeping with her fast, and THEN just hanging out and doing fun stuff, and then, MAYBE, on occasion, buying her things I make this very clear without even having to say it. (Pro-tip ladies: if a girl wants to split the bill the first time we go out, her stock goes WAY up in my book. It shows she's independent and looking for a partner rather than a provider. If you want a human wallet find a chump who's willing to pay for everything and don't sleep with him for a good long time)
-This is important: since I don't abide by the good girl/whore dichotomy, and treat her just as well (actually, better) the following morning, with absolutely zero guilt for either of us, it shows her I'm the same guy she met the night before. She sees me for who I am- genuine and non-judgemental. Also a great way to start a relationship

I turn down action far more often than I get turned down. The ones who turn me down generally still want me, but are just playing games to come off like a good girl with relationship potential (Even once recently with a girl who I KNEW was very promiscuous). Ironically, her playing games is what makes me rule her out as having relationship potential, but I'm not like most guys.

For the ones I like, but am less sure about, it's going to be the 2nd or 3rd date. If you both want it, any more is really just playing games or a signal that a girl isn't comfortable with her sexuality or doesn't trust me. I want to have lots of fun until I find my dream girl and, at 36, I don't have time to play games, don't want a sexually uncomfortable girl or a girl who doesn't trust me.

So, whether you're after a fun night or a relationship, it makes sense to take her to bed quickly. However, in order to do this, you need to become a very non-judgemental guy and basically remove the word and CONCEPT of "slut" from your vocabulary. I don't think most guys can do this, so for you guys you'll bang the sluts right away and the good girls after a month or so, even though the same girl has probably filled both roles for different guys.

For some good info on this mindset, check out markmanson.net (and his book, "Models: Attract Women Through Honesty") and the website girlschase.com

All that is fine I suppose. But, if your target has a brain, a career, tons of responsibility, you're dealing with a different mamal.

It all comes down to the time-slice that person has for you. All of the things you describe might work well for a girl in her early 20s starting out, you won't win over the CEO of yahoo.

Timing is everything and so is time. In the real world, with a high value target, you have to have a strategy.

Mopey dopey fun and sun doesn't work with high values. Once you get married to a high value, you need to keep them interested.

[Kwando]

1. Be attractive.
2. Don't be unattractive.

[Ehwnnc]

If you want to get laid be somewhat of a dick. I hate it but for some reason it works most of the time. If you want a relationship, dont go to a bar

[ddk632]

Originally Posted by BMWrules7

Once you get married

Herein lies the fallacy of your ideology.

[BMWrules7]

Originally Posted by ddk632

Herein lies the fallacy of your ideology.

Sweat forming on wrists and dripping from forehead as epiphanic revelation is suddenly comprehended: Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

[i dunno]

[ddk632]

^^

I want to see the ones that didn't make the cut for that video.

[grimlock]

^^
I don't think that's how it works .. if it does, it's a sad commentary on the state of human beings, it's kiss-rape
Anybody want to try it?

[carve]

I don't think it's exactly sad...more primal. I think they're caught off-guard a bit, but some seem into it. They could be paid, but if you go in with the right state, I think SOME women would find the boldness and confidence, and the lack of time to think things over, attractive. We've all been caught off-guard when something far outside the social norms, or with lots of social pressure, has happened. I'm sure plenty of hard rejections were edited out. I'm surprised that last one worked- he couldn't even remember his lines. She looked stunned though- more caught off guard than attracted. Any women in here have a comment? Sara504?