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      08-24-2013, 05:42 PM   #23
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I can't speak about the feel of the Macan or the small Audi. Before I bought my Cayenne, I test drove the X5 and the Q7, not even close in driving feel.
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      08-24-2013, 06:59 PM   #24
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I can't speak about the feel of the Macan or the small Audi. Before I bought my Cayenne, I test drove the X5 and the Q7, not even close in driving feel.
So why is it that Porsche can build AWD vehicles with great steering feel and precision, but nobody else can? What are they doing that others aren't? Why is it so hard?
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So why is it that Porsche can build AWD vehicles with great steering feel and precision, but nobody else can? What are they doing that others aren't? Why is it so hard?
Because they actually know what they're doing and don't just slap stuff together without thinking every aspect and angle through.

Why is it that porsche switched to electric steering but it's still better than everyone else's (but they're own) hydraulic steering? It's the same as above. They simply over engineer what they build and think things through.
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      08-25-2013, 07:24 PM   #27
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So why is it that Porsche can build AWD vehicles with great steering feel and precision, but nobody else can? What are they doing that others aren't? Why is it so hard?
Because they actually know what they're doing and don't just slap stuff together without thinking every aspect and angle through.

Why is it that porsche switched to electric steering but it's still better than everyone else's (but they're own) hydraulic steering? It's the same as above. They simply over engineer what they build and think things through.
Like with the SQ5, great concept but what seeks like poor execution.

Let's throw in a hopped up S4 motor and lower it a bit. Boom, it's an S model now. Need someone to fine tune the driving characteristics.

I think I need to drive a Cayenne to get a baseline.
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So why is it that Porsche can build AWD vehicles with great steering feel and precision, but nobody else can? What are they doing that others aren't? Why is it so hard?
May be they are doing it on purpose to sell P cars at a premium.

Since the whole thing is owned by VWAG you know notes are being exchanged in between brands.

I've spent some quality time in a V-8 Touareg (1st Gen) and its counter part Cayenne back when they 1st came out. I did not think P version was that much better. Yes, it handled slightly better but not to justify the cost difference between two cars at all. May be things are different now.
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May be they are doing it on purpose to sell P cars at a premium.

Since the whole thing is owned by VWAG you know notes are being exchanged in between brands.

I've spent some quality time in a V-8 Touareg (1st Gen) and its counter part Cayenne back when they 1st came out. I did not think P version was that much better. Yes, it handled slightly better but not to justify the cost difference between two cars at all. May be things are different now.
i can agree with this. drove an early cayenne thinking i would be wowed and the interior was terrible and i wasnt impressed at all.
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GLA 45 AMG might make an interesting "quick" mini-ute too
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      08-26-2013, 11:48 AM   #31
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Is the range rover evoque the same size as these?

I'm looking for a second car, def need an SUV. Looking to spend about 50k 60 on the high end, 50 would be nicer.
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      08-26-2013, 01:38 PM   #33
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Is the range rover evoque the same size as these?

I'm looking for a second car, def need an SUV. Looking to spend about 50k 60 on the high end, 50 would be nicer.
Shares the same chassis as a Q5, of you're looking for a direct size comparison.

The Evoque interior looks more cramped than the Q5.
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      09-06-2013, 12:50 PM   #34
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Porsche Macan price and comparison with BMW X4 available yet?
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Porsche Macan price and comparison with BMW X4 available yet?
Base price estimates going around the Porsche Forums are:

Macan Base: $42k USD
Macan S: $54k USD
Macan Turbo: $66k USD

Cayenne Base: $49k
Cayenne S: $66k
Cayenne Turbo: $110k

I am thinking the Turbo is going to be a lot more than that though. I am thinking Cayenne GTS money.

No word on X4 pricing, but expect look at the difference between the X5 and X6, then add that to the base price of an X3, and that should be a good estimate for the X4.
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I test drove the SQ5. I was considering it as a potential replacement for my 2009 Cayenne. It is not even remotely in the same league. It is very fast in straight line for an SUV. 0-60 is just over 5 seconds, while my Cayenne is just under 6 seconds. Beyond that, however, the car feels floaty and disconnected and the steering sucks. I would wait for the Macan for sure. If the Macan can replicate the overall responsiveness, brilliant steering and phenomenal ride/handling balance of the Cayenne in a smaller more dynamic package, it will be a real winner.

I used to be a big Audi fan, but after owning a Porsche and an M3, the Audis just don't cut it, R8 notwithstanding.
I did read that the US SQ5 has the standard Q5 Springs, which brings it 30mm higher than the Euro SQ5. Have been reading the underwhelming impression in the corners with the US suspension setup. Something easily remedied as KW already has replacement lowering springs/sleeves.
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A Macan S has my wife's name all over it!
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Macan turbo's price is very appealing>66k
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      09-27-2013, 04:31 PM   #42
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I think Audi fanboys prefer looking at their cars more than driving them. The R8 is a gem, but makes you wonder how much was really borrowed from Lamborghini?
Actually the R8 and Gallardo only share 15%.
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Macan looks interesting. I can't stand any suv's larger than this class, I just don't like to drive such a large vehicle. SQ5 is a nice ride, test drove one not too long ago. As far as suv's go, it is the one I would buy now. But the Macan S and Turbo do look very promising. Also the X4M, if indeed it gets produced.
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Macan turbo's price is very appealing>66k
Yeah, I guess we all should have known better than to expect a budget "Turbo" model. However, the "S" is $2k under estimates.

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Macan looks interesting. I can't stand any suv's larger than this class, I just don't like to drive such a large vehicle. SQ5 is a nice ride, test drove one not too long ago. As far as suv's go, it is the one I would buy now. But the Macan S and Turbo do look very promising. Also the X4M, if indeed it gets produced.
I had been eyeing up the SQ5 as well until the pricing dropped today for the Macan.

Macan S base price is only $100 more than the SQ5 Premium Plus (base model SQ5).

I test drove an SQ5 the other day. It is very uninspired in the curves. Read that the US model is 30mm higher (on regular Q5-height springs) than the Euro Version to skirt around US Emissions (classified as a small truck). So considering that it is the same chassis, with as good as or better motor (remember this is most likely the 3.0TT V6 found in the Panamera S (probably detuned)), better transmission and more than likely handle better as well.

I am going to budget for a Macan S with upgrades not to top the price of a fully loaded SQ5 Prestige, so around ~$72k. Will probably narrow it down to PCM (Navigation), PASM (air suspension is a maybe), Sport Seats are a Maybe, PDC w/Camera, some interior niceties, definitely not getting their crappy looking wheels (Cayenne and Cayenne S have horrible looking standard wheels) and maybe upgraded stereo. I know you can go crazy with all of the options.

Oh, and the X4M might not be happening per the BMW Product Manager...
http://www.caradvice.com.au/253033/bmw-x4-m-likely/
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