Merc brings back the V8

[G30M]

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...e63-v8-return/

The twin-turbo 4.0-liter V-8 could possibly be combined with a hybrid setup, as in the AMG GT63 S E Performance and AMG S63, in 2026, sources say

[ShocknAwe]

Very cool car but... 4100 lbs from the video I watched on it yesterday. Ouch. And why is the E-performance a plug in hybrid? Guessing another 500-1k lbs for the batteries? So dumb.

Can we not make these things a little lighter? ~3500 is the upper limit of fun.

[BlkGS]

I don't think 4k pounds for a full size luxury sedan is that unreasonable lol. If you want something lighter than that, you can always get a Mini Cooper.

[Car-Addicted]

Hard to sell most folks a $100,000 vehicle with a 4 cylinder turbo.

[ShocknAwe]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

I don't think 4k pounds for a full size luxury sedan is that unreasonable lol. If you want something lighter than that, you can always get a Mini Cooper.

Ah. Made a mistake thought we were talking about the AMG GT. The new GT which is Mercs answer that he 911 will be ballpark 4k lbs.

This is the E chassis which will be probably 5k lbs.

You're right 4k lbs for a full size luxury saloon would be a peach.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

Very cool car but... 4100 lbs from the video I watched on it yesterday. Ouch. And why is the E-performance a plug in hybrid? Guessing another 500-1k lbs for the batteries? So dumb.

the EU regulations are that you cannot sell pure ICE after 2030 (well, the wording is CO2 emissions must be under x. the only way you can sell the V8 is to make it run on electricity until the end of the test to achieve CO2 emission under x)

[G30M]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

Can we not make these things a little lighter? ~3500 is the upper limit of fun.

i don't think any Audi BMW or Merc cars are under 3500lb ? i can't think of a single one currently produced. Maybe the Audi S1.

[ShocknAwe]

Originally Posted by G30M

i don't think any Audi BMW or Merc cars are under 3500lb ? i can't think of a single one currently produced. Maybe the Audi S1.

Perhaps that is the problem?

[G30M]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

Perhaps that is the problem?

you could always get a Civic or a Corolla or Yaris

or a GT3

plenty of options

[ShocknAwe]

Originally Posted by G30M

you could always get a Civic or a Corolla or Yaris

or a GT3

plenty of options

Gun to my head huh.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

Gun to my head huh.

i can't think of anything else under 3500lbs?

edit: wait i just looked up the F series M240i it's 3490 lb, just made it!

[MJBO]

Originally Posted by G30M

i can't think of anything else under 3500lbs?

edit: wait i just looked up the F series M240i it's 3490 lb, just made it!

Current Z4, several specs of current G22 2 series, current F40 1 series, several specs of current G20 3 series.

[pz619]

Unfortunately, the rumors were already addressed. At least for the C and E.

https://www.autoblog.com/2023/08/23/...-ceo-confirms/

[M-technik-3]

And lets see how sales continue? Maybe put a Yaris GR 3 cylinder engine in next and see how how sale continue. 100k most don't want a 4 banger with turbos unless light weight and track car orientated.

MB is not that company.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by pz619

Unfortunately, the rumors were already addressed. At least for the C and E.

https://www.autoblog.com/2023/08/23/...-ceo-confirms/

The pathetic sales of the new C63 probably has them rethinking their choices. I suspect they're very worried about doing the same thing with E63.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

The pathetic sales of the new C63 probably has them rethinking their choices. I suspect they're very worried about doing the same thing with E63.

Regardless they will not deploy a V8 in the C or E. I enjoyed the hell out of my 2009 C63. NA 6.2 L V8 was freaking awesome. Unfortunately for AMG the V8 sound is so much of the identity and value proposition for the brand. I laughed when I saw the very heavy 4-cylinder hybrid Frankenstein conglomeration they are peddling.

I expect no change despite this.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Regardless they will not deploy a V8 in the C or E. I enjoyed the hell out of my 2009 C63. NA 6.2 L V8 was freaking awesome. Unfortunately for AMG the V8 sound is so much of the identity and value proposition for the brand. I laughed when I saw the very heavy 4-cylinder hybrid Frankenstein conglomeration they are peddling.

I expect no change despite this.

CLE 63 is now getting the mild hybrid V8, sometime in development they switched from the 4cylinder plug-in hybrid.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...phev-585bhp-v8

I wouldn't say never for other models down the road.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by M3WC

CLE 63 is now getting the mild hybrid V8, sometime in development they switched from the 4cylinder plug-in hybrid.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...phev-585bhp-v8

I wouldn't say never for other models down the road.

It's a numbers game to comply with Euro 7 emissions. You can't afford to have too many V8s in AMGs anymore.

[Alfisti]

YEah the problem here is not that mercedes prefer a 4 banger to advertise better fuel economy, it's the emissions standards that need to be met.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by gblansten

It's a numbers game to comply with Euro 7 emissions. You can't afford to have too many V8s in AMGs anymore.

Perhaps there will come a time when the US gets the cool versions of cars and the Euros get the crappy detuned versions?

You almost have to feel bad for them, meet the stupid government regulations, or sell cars that consumers will buy. You're screwed either way.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by gblansten

It's a numbers game to comply with Euro 7 emissions. You can't afford to have too many V8s in AMGs anymore.

You could if you put a big battery in there and let it run in battery until the end of the emissions test.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by G30M

You could if you put a big battery in there and let it run in battery until the end of the emissions test.

We call that the upcoming 5368 pound M5.