Man killed over pastrami sandwich

[michaelthepsycho]

Once again people fail to understand how the real world works. Voluntary manslaughter is an easier conviction. It's a safe win and 11 years is still a good chunk of time. Don't get too bent on your ideological version of justice. Life isn't fair. The DA saw an easy win and took it. Just like surgeons take easy operations for the stats. It happens. Murder II can be EASILY crushed by someone like me without legal knowledge.

[kingofthedemo]

Originally Posted by MadDog

Wow. You've definitely sunk to a new low.

Why did you quote another poster and accuse me of being the author; I did not say that! In fact I protested against the author of that comment!

[MadDog]

Originally Posted by kingofthedemo

Why did you quote another poster and accuse me of being the author; I did not say that! In fact I protested against the author of that comment!

Sorry, my mistake. I fixed the quote. Thanks for the support.

[MadDog]

Originally Posted by Tondtar

Good, my man ...Yep, it's been a long time. My first time here in almost 2 years.

Hope all is well.

Since I'm the OP of this thread, things aren't that great. PM me.

[MadDog]

Update: Sentencing now set for March 28th.

[MadDog]

I forgot that this thread existed, so here's an update:

The perp was sentenced to 6 years in jail, and is currently serving his sentence in Shafter Community Correctional Facility (near Bakersfield, CA). He was ordered to pay almost 50k in restitution to my niece. This is a debt that he can't erase, except by paying it.

[m3ray]

Originally Posted by MadDog

I forgot that this thread existed, so here's an update:

The perp was sentenced to 6 years in jail, and is currently serving his sentence in Shafter Community Correctional Facility (near Bakersfield, CA). He was ordered to pay almost 50k in restitution to my niece. This is a debt that he can't erase, except by paying it.

You should sue him in civil court for wrongful death. Bury him in debt.

[squishy]

Originally Posted by michaelthepsycho

Once again people fail to understand how the real world works. Voluntary manslaughter is an easier conviction. It's a safe win and 11 years is still a good chunk of time. Don't get too bent on your ideological version of justice. Life isn't fair. The DA saw an easy win and took it. Just like surgeons take easy operations for the stats. It happens. Murder II can be EASILY crushed by someone like me without legal knowledge.

X2.

Perhaps the only well informed post in this thread, other than facts...

[gtron]

Originally Posted by MadDog

I forgot that this thread existed, so here's an update:

The perp was sentenced to 6 years in jail, and is currently serving his sentence in Shafter Community Correctional Facility (near Bakersfield, CA). He was ordered to pay almost 50k in restitution to my niece. This is a debt that he can't erase, except by paying it.

that means he'll be out in 3 if he doesn't get in trouble there.

[954Stealth]

This type of shit always pisses me off. What a tragic waste of life.
I always wonder though, is my perception of an increased prevalence of these encounters true? And is it due to the increase in stress and value on time and production from our society that drives these incidents or is it simply that news and media outlets are there now 24/7 to report on them?

Regardless, I feel for the loss you feel and that of your families'.

Some of the responses here have been somewhat comical. Just know that people deal with tragic and uncomfortable situations in different ways, some times jokingly. Don't let that discourage you from reaching out to your BMW and car family.

Keep your head up, bro.

[gtron]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

I don't think you could pay me any sum of money to live in California.

why?

this place is a walk in the park.

try chicago or better yet, south side chicago aka chiraq.

people are crazy nice and oddly trusting in most of orange county

[MadDog]

Originally Posted by gtron

that means he'll be out in 3 if he doesn't get in trouble there.

The DA said he had to spend 85% of his sentence in jail. He also gets 15% credit for the time spent waiting for trial. I figured he'd be out in 4 1/2 years.

[MadDog]

Originally Posted by 954Stealth

This type of shit always pisses me off. What a tragic waste of life.
I always wonder though, is my perception of an increased prevalence of these encounters true? And is it due to the increase in stress and value on time and production from our society that drives these incidents or is it simply that news and media outlets are there now 24/7 to report on them?

Regardless, I feel for the loss you feel and that of your families'.

Some of the responses here have been somewhat comical. Just know that people deal with tragic and uncomfortable situations in different ways, some times jokingly. Don't let that discourage you from reaching out to your BMW and car family.

Keep your head up, bro.

Thanks. It's been extremely difficult for my niece. It's now been a little over three years since her husband was murdered.

[MadDog]

Originally Posted by michaelthepsycho

Once again people fail to understand how the real world works. Voluntary manslaughter is an easier conviction. It's a safe win and 11 years is still a good chunk of time. Don't get too bent on your ideological version of justice. Life isn't fair. The DA saw an easy win and took it. Just like surgeons take easy operations for the stats. It happens. Murder II can be EASILY crushed by someone like me without legal knowledge.

The DA was working on a Murder 2 conviction, and the defendant claimed "imperfect self defense". The video from the donut shop showed my niece's husband lunging at the perp after he was sucker punched. Seems the 23-year old (and his two friends) was afraid of someone smaller and 35 years older. Disgusting how the criminal justice system in LA sucks. If this trial was in Texas, the guy would be on death row.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by gtron

why?

this place is a walk in the park.

try chicago or better yet, south side chicago aka chiraq.

people are crazy nice and oddly trusting in most of orange county

I have no problem with the fine people there (well, for the most part) so I hope that comment did not offend you.

To answer your question, my primary reasons would be: California has unacceptable (to me) firearms laws and way too much traffic/pollution.

[gtron]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

I have no problem with the fine people there (well, for the most part) so I hope that comment did not offend you.

To answer your question, my primary reasons would be: California has unacceptable (to me) firearms laws and way too much traffic/pollution.

no offense at all, i was just wondering the reason and if it was related to violence because i was surprised if so.

i agree about the firearms laws but the traffic and pollution is limited to a small percentage of california. california is pretty big.

[P1]

My grandfather always said nothing good happens after midnight.

[MrPrena]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

I have no problem with the fine people there (well, for the most part) so I hope that comment did not offend you.

To answer your question, my primary reasons would be: California has unacceptable (to me) firearms laws and way too much traffic/pollution.

+1 THIS.

I cannot stand the traffic in LA/OC county. 20minutes of commute on Sunday is like 70minutes of commute on traffic hours. High cost of living+time wasted in traffic isn't worth for me anymore.

Oh yeah, the firearm law too. I can't even move to CA with all the stuff I own.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by gtron

no offense at all, i was just wondering the reason and if it was related to violence because i was surprised if so.

i agree about the firearms laws but the traffic and pollution is limited to a small percentage of california. california is pretty big.

I agree. I've been to the Palm Desert area (Rancho Mirage, Palm Springs, etc.) many times to play golf. The scenery is stunning and I don't mind the heat. The people were very friendly too. I've only been to L.A. once but I would love to visit again. I also would enjoy spending some time in Palo Alto and San Francisco.

Originally Posted by MrPrena

+1 THIS.

I cannot stand the traffic in LA/OC county. 20minutes of commute on Sunday is like 70minutes of commute on traffic hours. High cost of living+time wasted in traffic isn't worth for me anymore.

Oh yeah, the firearm law too. I can't even move to CA with all the stuff I own.

I'm spoiled here in the State I live in. Traffic is tolerable and the firearms laws are very favorable to supporters of the Second Amendment.