G84 M3 ICE model to get 48-volt mild-hybrid inline-six engine, not PHEV (per Häcker)

[kgelfen360]

Originally Posted by buckybadger

More heavier and bigger M3 on the horizon.
The G80 will be the last true M3 car.

I don’t think mild hybrid is going to be much heavier but it does seem like BMW has little care about the weight.

[buckybadger]

Originally Posted by kgelfen360

I don’t think mild hybrid is going to be much heavier but it does seem like BMW has little care about the weight.

Newer generation will be heavier than the last one, plus bigger in size. Look at the new M5. It’s a rhino now.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by lonestar22

I dont think anyone thought the manual M3 would survive this generation. The take rate is extremely low even though everyone says they want one.

I’m not sure that’s actually very accurate. The dealership that is closest to me has mostly six speeds in stock, including the M2 everything that comes in is a six speed.

That seems to be the number one enthusiast choice right now…

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by MaC-N54-E82

Smart play by BMW to fund both versions and let consumers decide. As always, I’ll reserve judgement until I drive them. Until then I’ll continue to enjoy the S58 driving experience.

BMW is following the Porsche playbook where they run the ICE cars concurrent side-by-side with the electric cars for at least two years.

I can’t wait for the quad motor M3/4’s Those things are going to be insane

[My M3]

Agree, I also think the G80 M3 will be the last true M3.
I will be keeping mine

[McLaren720s]

Will only buy if grill is bigger than current gen

[yert43]

I’m taking delivery of my 2025 G80 6MT in the next couple of weeks and the current plan is to keep it forever.

I am not against progress, and I think the electric M3 will be a monster, but the boxes I want to check are: 1) reasonably practical 2) reasonably luxurious 3) reasonably fast 4) manual transmission.

Not much on the market today that checks all of those boxes, and likely no new cars will in another couple of years.

[kgelfen360]

Originally Posted by buckybadger

Newer generation will be heavier than the last one, plus bigger in size. Look at the new M5. It’s a rhino now.

Yea but mild hybrid is not same as full hybrid M5 is. That’s like really extreme weight issue.

[Alpine300zhp]

Originally Posted by My M3

Agree, I also think the G80 M3 will be the last true M3.
I will be keeping mine

Me too for my G82 that I just got a few months ago. Might pick up a G80 to go along with the G82 before EOP just because I don’t have trust the next one will be equal or better than the G80.

[Jimjamz]

Originally Posted by Custom Install

Sounds like good news, I’ll start looking for my E30 M3 asap 😎

Haha.
I think classic demand vs supply dynamics for price equilibrium suggests the sheer mainstream volume of G80/82s in the market is not going to sustain prices in any way. Unless somehow BNW invents a whole new future market that will provide enough future buyers to exceed the number of buyers today - or future high inflation bulks the price of older cars.

Completely different story for limited edition owners. Even then, it’s not going up often - I’ve experienced that myself as a M2 CS owner. The next big thing comes around and your prized unicorn becomes less relevant to the modern buyer whose chasing something else.

If you buy it to drive it and don’t care about appreciation - you’re on a winner

[G30M]

Originally Posted by McLaren720s

Will only buy if grill is bigger than current gen

and has RBG LED lighting all over

[pbonsalb]

Originally Posted by hb

It's only that high in the US, unfortunately not enough. You need a lot more of those globally to build a business case

That is what I have read — US is biggest manual market you need to look at the much bigger global market. Also, the manuals now get worse MPG and BMW has to consider its CAFE. May also be harder to integrate hybrid power into manuals. Seems like manuals will become more and more limited if they don’t go away altogether.

I like the auto in my F90 M5. Had plenty of manuals — 79 635csi, 99 E36 M3, 99 E39 528i, 08 E90 M3. Slower, worse mpg, not much fun in heavy traffic. They give you something to do, if that is the goal.

[buckybadger]

Originally Posted by kgelfen360

Yea but mild hybrid is not same as full hybrid M5 is. That’s like really extreme weight issue.

Hard to say but we can expect increase in size and weight in general. That has been the trend for BMW.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

That is what I have read — US is biggest manual market you need to look at the much bigger global market. Also, the manuals now get worse MPG and BMW has to consider its CAFE. May also be harder to integrate hybrid power into manuals. Seems like manuals will become more and more limited if they don’t go away altogether.

I like the auto in my F90 M5. Had plenty of manuals — 79 635csi, 99 E36 M3, 99 E39 528i, 08 E90 M3. Slower, worse mpg, not much fun in heavy traffic. They give you something to do, if that is the goal.

I think peeps need to come to terms that the second Hybrid/Ev comes in, manual is over.

[Rux]

Where did you all read that the M3 48v mild hybrid will be an S58? I read https://www.bmwblog.com/2024/10/17/bmw-m3-g84-over-523-horsepower-awd-and-auto-only/ that it’s going to be a 525 hp B58.


Makes sense right? B58 passed the new euro emission standard and BMW can use the M440 as a starting point. Why do you think it has all the M shit on it? Boost that B58 up some power and GRATs the M light is now the new M.



I’ll let you all hater figure out what that will do to REAL M cars that came before it….