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Originally Posted by Sapper_M3
...and yet these same people who argue for the supremacy of performance metrics will be the first ones clamoring about intangibles (probably not sound with the F80, but we'll certainly hear about handling, poise, luxury, and driver confidence) when the new Mustang and Camaro are faster 0-60 mph, 1/4 mile ET and Trap, around the Nordschleife, around Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca with Randy Pobst, and in every YouTube video repeated ad nauseum on Jalopnik.
I hate to be a buzzkill. Believe me, I'm not the guy leaving BMW to buy a Mustang next year. I'm all for the F80 to be successful, but I'm so tired of the bickering by all parties. It's constant back and forth and often, like this, unnecessary.
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Welcome to the internet.
But, I agree. As many many many others have said, these are all fantastic cars (well, not Jeep Wranglers. Or X6Ms (@lups, looking at you here....). Those are both crap.) and 99.9% of this bickering is pure bullshit - nothing but arguing about how many angels on a pinhead or making other distinctions without a difference.
C63s are great cars and many people prefer them to M3s.
New Mustangs are great cars (don't you dare defend the 1992 era 'stang) and many people prefer them to M3s.
E90s are great cars and some people will probably prefer them to M3s (I only say probably because, again, nobody here has driven one. Except UAE. and, for that, we hate him.
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To give a serious answer to the OP, i plan to buy an F80 not and E90. Why?
Target is to buy early 2015. By that time, any 4 door M3 (which is what I want) will be getting on in years in the E90. Sometimes new is nice, even for just all the electronic shittake that comes with the new car (connectivity, etc).
Also, I actually do think the improved mileage wil be something I care about because most of my driving will be in town (I take an LRT or run to/from work so won't be sitting in traffic, just cruising evenings/weekends/etc) with the odd trip to our place in the mountains, going hiking, skiing, etc. (YYC currently lacks a track. Don't get me started....should hopefully a new one in the next 2 years but....still....
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They will both be insanely fast (F80 faster, sure) but I am unlikely to be often cruising around at 200 km/h. The torques in the F80 will probably more regularly put a bigger smile on my face in driving around town.
On the other hand, I have a close connection to an exotic car dude in town who periodically gets 'little' cars like M3s on trade ins (he rarely even posts them on his website, which is....a little more high end) and I could probably save a fair chunk of change waiting to see if a good E90 comes in from him (I got my current E90 3 series from him 3 years ago (when it was 2 years old) with only 9,000 km on it for about what its market value is today). But it isn't just about the money. I like having the exact car I want. And I will pay for that.
I've owned V8s. They sound very nice. I think the F80 will sound more than fine - I expect it will sound good. (don't know, but the only people that have disliked the sound are people who seem to have an unusual fixation with the V8 sound. Unhealthy, really...
Anyway, those are the big things in my own thought process. A lot of it comes down to I want the car I want (which, with 4 doors and MT makes it relatively rare new, let alone finding used with low km). By all accounts, the new F80 will MORE than replace the old E90 in all respects I care about so that is almost certainly the direction we will go.