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      09-23-2020, 02:56 PM   #53
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Originally Posted by strohw View Post
I'm curious how many people here who say they want a manual actually track their cars.

I picked up a manual Cayman this year as a toy car. Had to be manual since it was a toy. Took it to the track 4 times this year and realized by the 3rd time I should have gotten the PDK. When I'm trying to push and do better, the need to rev match just adds another layer I don't need. I also don't like the idea of money shifting while coming on the straight. The manual engagement feel in the car isn't the best and I missed shifted once during my first outing already. Now I have to monitor myself and take the 3rd to 4th a bit easy because a mistake is $10-15k.

Finally, I've noticed that a lot of newer performance cars with manual options do auto rev matching. So are you even a true manual anymore? It's like motorcycles nowadays too. Years ago I use to have to rev match on the track. Now you get slipper clutches and quick shifters as stock. You can literally just bang up and down through the gears.
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes View Post
Been doing autoX and there's two nearly identical Cayman Ss, one manual, one PDK. The PDK is consistently about 3 seconds faster. Yes, drivers are important...but the PDK can simply shift instantly and that matters.
I agree on the issue with the missed shift and doing major damage at a track. The automatic definitely comes with reduced chances of damage.

As for the lap times, depends on what you are doing, I have done track days and I would definitely be faster in an automatic, it also would be a lot simpler. Not sure about more fun or satisfying. Never been to a track day where lap times were recorded and really wasn't racing anyone so not sure if I would care that I was seconds faster around the track.

If AutoX and a real competition where times are recorded and you are trying to place the auto will more than likely be faster.
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