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Originally Posted by stefan

Such a ridiculous debate. There is NO manual mode on a DCT. It's still an auto box and you tell it what to do via computers. This is fast but it has no feel whatsoever.

I guess I have to admit I'm not a race car driver like most DCT enthusiasts, and I'm not concerned with a few extra seconds. I just want driving feel. BMW left that all behind in the new models with EPS, turbo, and now finally the death of the manual.

One thing I'd like to know is how many owners just bought DCT because they don't know how to drive manual. I imagine that's a non trivial percentage of sales. People aren't teaching their kids manual, and their kids grow up only having an auto. Therefore less sales of manual. Perhaps.

Try asking the UK bit of the forum on their view of the 8AT.

Remember this is a country where around 95/98% of drivers drive a manual.

Also where the driving test lets you drive manual and auto, however if you do an auto driving test you cannot drive a manual - against the law!

Around 98% of drivers learn to drive in a manual.

75% of cars bought last year where manual.


The 8AT is a different calibre to the old type auto.


It's amazing how many people seem to be driving gods with a manual car on here.

It's nothing special, pretty much our entire driving population drive manual without fuss.