Horner in trouble at Red Bull

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Autobacs

The Beatles disagree with you and millions of others too. That is why "Can't buy me love" became one of their hits.

Exactly ..

I'm pretty sure the woman or girl in the Ferrari don't knows what love is .

Over here we are saying :

1- She knows very well what she is doing with her sugar daddy.
2- She bought the car with her A$$.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

The best car The best car
The best car The best car
The best car The best car
The best car The best car
The best car The best car
The best car The best car
The best car The best car
The best car The best car
The best car The best car
The best car The best car

Sorry, had to.

Didn't Checo run with the RB19 ?

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Artemis

No matter which F1 driver each of us considers "#1", "the best", "GOAT", etc.: let's appreciate the fact that also in 2024 we can witness Verstappen demonstrating his skills and dexterity.

In the future, when he will have retired from F1, we will realize that, from hindsight, he was definitely an incredibly skilled, one-of-a-kind F1 ace, operating on a different level.

"Max Verstappen Overtaking Compilation in the Wet Brazil 2016":

I don't know how many times I've said it : MAX is 'unbeatable in the rain .

In Genk , I've seen things from MAX you guys wouldn't believe...
Like running for hours in a thunderstorm , hail and pouring rain ...With slicks !
In winter...with freeze temps in snow and ice !

In 2020 I've said like 100 times : This is just the beginning !

Can't wait to watch the first wet race in this season

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Meanwhile...

"Christian Horner: Woman to appeal against Red Bull decision to dismiss complaint"
BBC - March 15, 2024
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/68576295
"The woman who made accusations about Christian Horner's behaviour is to appeal against Red Bull's decision to dismiss her complaint. (...)
The complainant's decision to fight back against Red Bull's actions is a further indication that the controversy is likely to continue for some time."

She said : Now she feels left behind ................................................

With $1Million in her FKN pockets !

You said to me : Don't say that .

So ...I won't say it again what I think of her .

Of course as I said : This Isn't over yet !

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

You guys intend to keep this up all season? Just asking for a friend.

We'll keep this up until the RB woman is in jail !

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by g21

Lol if you remove max then Perez is the world champion every season, the guy that everybody says is useless, so I guess that proves your point

Checo's 2023 season was a disaster.. A real mess !

For once , LEW got bad luck . Otherwise Checo was beaten by LEW for P2 in his bouncing 5H1tbox car ...

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

I don't actually think the RB18/19/20 are that easy to drive and I dont think most could win with it to the degree Max has. As Albon said, Max's car is so nimble and so sensitive it unnerves you to drive that way. IMO the only guy who would enjoy the set up and balance is Lec.
Ham was never a guy who was able to control the friction circle in the same way Max does. Max is also an early braker where Ham was a late braker and I dont think Ham's style is nearly the same as Max's who is a short corner driver who manipulates the car during the corner to elongate the straights for acceleration. Ham needs a stable rear but who are we kidding, you can give any driver 80-100 more hp and the extra knowledge of secret tire tests and they will win. That took relatively little skill compared to driving the current GE cars, which do need to be driven a bit differently not to stall out the GE.
I agree there are greats, and IMO Ham and Vet are in the same category, very good, but ultimately Vet was only able to be successful during a short period of time and Ham was a product of simple dominance of a car where there was a lot of unfair advantage in his corner - the 80-100 more than EVERY other car, the extra 50-100MM MB would spend, and the levels of cheating they got in tire tests and the seemingly little penalties for things that should have been.
Max is dominating in a way only Sch has in F1 where it is simply the most competitive and most parity, and in fact, RB deals with something no other team ever has - restrictions on their testing and dev due to being the winner.

Max's 100 podiums through 187 races:

1st - 56
2nd - 28
3rd - 16

Those numbers are astounding and are better in terms of 1st place for first 100 podiums than ANYONE save for Sch.

P2 is the first loser => https://www.reddit.com/r/formuladank...y_chat_for_f1/

[Davil]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

In Genk , I've seen things from MAX you guys wouldn't believe...
Like running for hours in a thunderstorm , hail and pouring rain ...With slicks !
In winter...with freeze temps in snow and ice !

I just read that in Rutger Hauer’s voice.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Davil

I just read that in Rutger Hauer’s voice.

I mean MAX won everything in the kart competition.
No one can beat his karting records !
I met MAX and Jos and I followed MAX here in Belgium in Genk (Home of Champions) => https://www.homeofchampions.be/en

[M5Rick]

CH wants to be THE boss and the Austrians are not happy.

[Sneaky Pete]

Just so I'm getting this right.

Verstappen with some F1 experience, can't beat Ricciardo, a mid field racer at best, in their couple of years together and crashes out on a regular basis.

Hamilton beats 2 time champion Alonso (widely regarded as one of the best in recent years) in the same car that he had a handful of laps experience in, at tracks he mostly hadn't driven on using whatever car set up Alonso was using (up until Silverstone when Alonso refused to share his set up data with Hamilton any more).

And that makes Verstappen a naturally talented driver and better than Hamilton.
I guess that if you are a big enough fan and only started watching F1 after Verstappen started you could convince yourself that could be true.

But better than Senna!... I can't take anyone who believes that at all seriously.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Sneaky Pete

Just so I'm getting this right.

Verstappen with some F1 experience, can't beat Ricciardo, a mid field racer at best, in their couple of years together and crashes out on a regular basis.

Hamilton beats 2 time champion Alonso (widely regarded as one of the best in recent years) in the same car that he had a handful of laps experience in, at tracks he mostly hadn't driven on using whatever car set up Alonso was using (up until Silverstone when Alonso refused to share his set up data with Hamilton any more).

And that makes Verstappen a naturally talented driver and better than Hamilton.
I guess that if you are a big enough fan and only started watching F1 after Verstappen started you could convince yourself that could be true.

But better than Senna!... I can't take anyone who believes that at all seriously.

For sure A.Senna is a legend in the winning years that his nephew Bruno could not get close to afterwards.
Unfortunately for Ayrton at the time he didn't realise he could not continue in the way he wanted, chopping and changing suspension and steering components in his Williams to questionable levels to be competitive and the cruel truth is he simply went too far with it at San Marino with Williams not intervening to stop him and the rest is history.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Davil

I just read that in Rutger Hauer’s voice.

All those moments will be lost in time ...like skid marks ...on [a] circuit.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by g21

Lol if you remove max then Perez is the world champion every season, the guy that everybody says is useless, so I guess that proves your point

Verstappen is instrumental for gathering telemetry data and feedback to the Red Bull Racing engineers and designers to optimize car setup specifications (specific track conditions, weather, free practice, qualies and race).

As a kid Verstappen permanently tinkered, toyed and tested setups of his karts to squeeze most out of it - he uses all that valuable 'know how' to his benefit in F1.

Remove Verstappen from RBR and the car's design and performance will be different.

Real world:

"Why Verstappen is so much faster than Perez":

"Young Max Verstappen’s insane driving Style":

Virtual world (sim racing):

"How Max Verstappen is a Sim Racing genius":

[Sneaky Pete]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

For sure A.Senna is a legend in the winning years that his nephew Bruno could not get close to afterwards.
Unfortunately for Ayrton at the time he didn't realise he could not continue in the way he wanted, chopping and changing suspension and steering components in his Williams to questionable levels to be competitive and the cruel truth is he simply went too far with it at San Marino with Williams not intervening to stop him and the rest is history.

Thats a different history to the mainstream one.

[M5Rick]

^ ''But better than Senna!'' following on from that.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Sneaky Pete

Thats a different history to the mainstream one.

Senna was nec plus ultra in F1. But his overconfidence was dangerous.

An anecdote recounted by Prost: 44:59 to 48:06:

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Senna was nec plus ultra in F1. But his overconfidence was dangerous.

An anecdote recounted by Prost: 44:59 to 48:06:

The win at all costs mentality after the previous collisions came back to face him and throwing caution to the wind with his beliefs especially on that black weekend when there was already a fatality and another driver knocked out unconscious with concussion hitting a barrier, someone should have advised him more with his demanding set up.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Senna was nec plus ultra in F1. But his overconfidence was dangerous.

An anecdote recounted by Prost: 44:59 to 48:06:

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

So it's ALO and SAI in the boxing ring for the Merc seat while Antonelli probably to Williams.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

The win at all costs mentality after the previous collisions came back to face him and throwing caution to the wind with his beliefs especially on that black weekend when there was already a fatality and another driver knocked out unconscious with concussion hitting a barrier, someone should have advised him more with his demanding set up.

i'm not sure if you were referring to that fateful day

Senna passed on because he asked the team to cut off and re-weld his steering rod to suit him

unfortunately the rod snapped while he was going at 200kph and he had no control over the car and the rest was history

the TP was prosecuted over this in the Italian court but was cleared

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

So it's ALO and SAI in the boxing ring for the Merc seat while Antonelli probably to Williams.

Got to pay your dues. Even Max drove Toro Rosso.