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      Today, 12:56 AM   #11991
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Consider their backgrounds:

- Trump - a NYC real estate developer and self-made billionaire

- Obama - a community organizer

Agree - Obama was more tactful. But things reached such a peak of outrage that voters overthrew the WH and the Senate.
Outrage, or the GOP and Obama would not work with the other? Obama gave up working with the GOP after the "Grand Bargain" failed. Personally, I would have made some deal work -- because what they went to meant they ran less of a deficit (automatic cutbacks) but it did not resolve the issue.

Look, the GOP did not do Obama any favors. They were not called the DO NOTHING CONGRESS for nothing ... wait, they were the do nothings and did nothing.

Last time I looked, Congress passes laws ... they passed the buck to Obama. Why not present the tax bill, the infrastructure bill, the jobs bill to Obama and dare him to veto it.

THAT is how Congress should work. Not the crap we got. BUT the GOP wanted to win ... they did not want to help the Country domestically until they won...

Treason? Some might say yes ... power grab? Definitely. Hey, they won by not doing anything and blaming it on Obama.

What the DEMS should have done is ATTACK the GOP Congress like heck and remind the public that Congress passes laws, not Obama.

The Dems are soft when it comes to campaigning. You've got to grab the GOP by the cajones and pull hard.
The way I remember it, the Dems had the House and Senate when Obama came in. Rather than doing anything productive, they focused on idiocy like Cash For Clunkers and Obamacare - while Rome burned. No focus on jobs, security, or the economy - they took on their pet projects. When voters fired the first warning shot in the midterm elections, they doubled-down, and Harry Reid went for the nuclear option. The Republicans did what they (rightfully) interpreted voters wanted - a moratorium on Obama's agenda and spending.

I'm happy Congress did successfully block part of Obama's agenda. They should have done far more.
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I'd bet Obama supporters murder a lot more people in this country than trump supporters.

Well, if you want to go there...


Well, this is the thing, Obama supporters kill other Obama supporters, whereas

Trump supporters kill people who aren't white or don't practice Christianity.
Examples?
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I'd bet Obama supporters murder a lot more people in this country than trump supporters.

Hate crimes have been around for centuries, it certainly isn't new. The question is, are we currently headed in a direction where people can see past their fear and bigotry and see a fellow man/woman in someone else who is different from them. Is Trump, as our leader, guiding us in that direction? In my opinion, no.

Honestly, I don't think race relations under the Obama administration improved as much as it could have. To me, race relations didn't go towards understanding each other as much as I'd like. Most of us ended up pointing fingers instead.
Just about all crimes against a person are "hate crimes" - not sure why we needed another designation?

IMO, race relations under Obama took a nose-dive, and will likely take years to repair.

I don't understand where people think Trump has a focus on race, much less call him a bigot.
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Just about all crimes against a person are "hate crimes" - not sure why we needed another designation?

IMO, race relations under Obama took a nose-dive, and will likely take years to repair.

I don't understand where people think Trump has a focus on race, much less call him a bigot.
People think he's a bigot because of the countless instances of discrimination and stereotyping:

- An American judge is unfit to hear a case against him because "he is Mexican" (also said a Muslim judge would treat him unfairly in regards to his immigration ban)

- Real estate company sued twice, first for applying special conditions to black renters, second for telling them apartments were no longer available

- Black casino workers removed from tables to accommodate a gambler, plus countless anecdotes about him calling them lazy and being unhappy that they worked with his money

- He initially refused to denounce his KKK supporters, claiming he "didn't know anything" about the organization.

- He has appointed multiple racists to government positions (sessions, bannon, Flynn, etc)

- Utilized broad stereotypes throughout his campaign (Mexicans are criminals, black people are "living in hell", asked "what do they have to lose" by voting for him, etc

- When opposed by an Indian tribe about opening a casino, he claimed they don't look like Indians to me, they don't look like Indians to Indians.

- after a black protester was assaulted, he joked that maybe they should have been roughed up

- spoke in stereotypes to the Jewish republicans saying they were all negotiators like him and that they wouldn't support him because he didn't want their money (and they want to control their own politician)

- He joked about a Muslim gold star mother not being "allowed" to speak while her husband criticized him at the DNC

-implemented a ban that targeted muslims. Did the EO say "no muslims"? Of course not. But most people can read between the lines

Now I know you'll probably go through these 1 by 1, saying each one is " not enough to call him racist". But it is a long standing pattern of bigotry that has been consistent for decades. Don't let that token black guy he finds at each rally (who he literally once referred to as "my African American") fool you. I'm not saying he hates a certain group, but he very much pushes stereotypes and discriminates against them on a regular basis
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