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Originally Posted by Germanauto
I disagree. I grew up with my parents working for GM and their "numbers is numbers" mentality is what led to them going belly up and getting bailed out. When you have to idle your plant and throw loads of cash on the hoods of your product to move units there's no denying that there are underlying problems. I don't even know how this topic is up for debate, every analysis on the market has deemed the ATS to be a flop.
CT5 is not an ATS replacement, it is a replacement for multiple Cadillac sedans (ATS, CTS, XTS).
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Dude, in another thread you stated that "you hate all things GM", so I'm not going to further argue with a mental disorder.
The ATS is a great driving car and better than the current crop of 3-series BMW offers. If one buys the Ultimate Driving Machine to actually drive the fucking car vs. have a fancy imaginary blue-and-white propeller badge, then the ATS fills the bill far better than the current BMW 3-series. Of the several different F3X's I've driven since 2012, all of them have sucked and none are worthy of a Roundel on the hood. What really is the case, is the small entry-level sport sedan market, which the 3-series has previously defined and dominated since the 1970's, has moved the bar to a location where when compared to itself, the 3-series would lose to its forebears. The ATS was targeted to that person seeking an ultimate driving machine, but that person seeking the BMW Ultimate Driving Machine is now more concerned with MMI of iDrive units rather than steering feel, brake feel and cornering acumen the 3-series used to offer.
I've put well over 1,500 miles behind the wheel of two ATS service loaners and driven them over my regular commute, and have done the same with an F30 335i. The ATS drives like a BMW, the F30 doesn't.
While I've been a Bimmerhead since the late 1970's and been around the 3 series since the E21 (I still remember to this day the beautiful steering feel of the 1978 320i I drove up our gravel driveway in 1978) and currently have three (3) 3-series* BMWs in the fleet, I'm of open automotive mind enough to recognize a great driving car when I drive one, regardless of the manufacturer who builds it.
You appear to be a zealot.
Peace out.
*one is actually an E86 Z4 Coupe, which is basically a short wheelbase E46.